Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by kinetic medic, Jan 12, 2009.
So, it's available for beta test, what are the thoughts?
I'm too lazy to try it. From what I'm hearing, it's just a prettier version of Vista with that goofy Mac bar.
Actually i've heard it's a streamlined version of Vista without alot of the chaff.
Do we need like 4gb of ram to just run it like we do with Vista?
before we start a guessing game:
personally i think it will be much better than vista and is quite promising. vista would have been much stronger if it was released as it was originally designed, but third party solutions ruined it piece by piece with their lawsuits. by the time the thing was release it was so heavily gimped by these third parties that it was the mess that we know now.
do the beta or not? well not unless you are willing to test and forgive it as a beta. don't download it and be all pissed if your drivers don't quite work or it wont play wow. but if you are nerd and want to poke around in the OS its self then hell yeah, give it a try.
i have long been interested in the WinFS, and am very curious to see the "Windows Power Shell". if it is based more so on XPSP3 and 2003 then I have high hopes for it in the same regards when NT became 2000.
Someone had to do it.
xkcd for the win(dows)
i am a heavy user of suse, windows and unfortunately, macos. i don't know if there is much that microsoft or apple can do to take me off linux as my full OS in the next few years. regardless what either vendor does they are constantly playing catchup or straight ripping ideas off from the linux community. as soon as game companies write natively and the gaming nerds move to the free, more powerful, lower overhead, tweeking option then it is going to be game over for both companies. the only reason i am still on windows is for gaming and a mildly superior HTPC system...but win is only holding onto that market by a thread.
in a business computing sense, we are very close to dumping windows here as well, as most distros are almost at the point where, once set up, my mom can run it.
after that i think microsoft will move towards cloud OSs (Azure) as this is the next service for them that is likely kick them into gear more than 7. we will see.
it looks nice lol
but we shoudl change it to ninja time now instead of yar or nar you should say ummm...something a ninja would say.....
I'd pass judgement if I had a computer to run it, but that'll have to wait. The requirements are the same as Vista, but I don't think I could get away with that either.
Damn you, I was gonna post that
Oh well, here's another one then.
That's BS Molotov. Vista is an entirely new kernel just like NT4.5 was a new kernel when Windows3 was running on DOS. Back then Microsoft spent 10 YEARS coaxing first businesses and then homes from the DOS kernel line of OSs (Windows3, Windows for Workgroups 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 second edition, and Windows Meh) to the NT kernel line of OSs (WindowsNT3.5, WindowsNT3.51 Advanced Server, WindowsNT4, Windows2000, Windows XP).
Microsoft provided full support for the DOS kernel operating system over those ten years, giving 3rd parties plenty of time to design drivers for both kernels, as well as developing efficient design tools to port DOS real mode drivers over to NT-style virtual drivers.
Along comes Vista and Microsoft wants everyone to switch within a 2 year window, oh, and you have to right the vista kernel drivers from scratch, oh, and your memory tweaks now cause the OS UAC to suspend your app instead of failing gracefully, oh, and we're stopping support of your old OS, oh, and you have to recode everything to .Net, oh, and we're changing the forms interface.
Don't get me wrong, I swear by Microsoft products, but man, this Vista transition was way mishandled from a marketing and management perspective. They deserve much of the bad press they've been getting and it's so unfair to just dump that blame on 3rd parties. I'm sure there are some 3rd parties that took the lazy way out and only is releasing drivers for this product for this kernel and that product for that kernel, but there's a ton of stuff that Microsoft could have done, that they DID do in the past to make it easier for everyone.
What lawsuits ?
Currently I'm still running XP because Vista doesn't have any features that are worth paying for. I doubt that Windows 7 will be much different.
The lawsuits of the good for nothing EU.
Oh, yeah. The guys who think a web browser is an optional piece of software that shouldn't be bundled with an operating system. That was awesome.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer Firefox, but how do they think I'm going to get it? The only alternative would be bundling a few other browsers with Windows, but ... where does one stop?
Which one caused Microsoft to have to wreck Vista ?
All of them.
All OS' are borked when they first come out. 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, ME....., XP, Vista, and windoes 7 will join the list too.
LOL, people were using FTP to transfer files 30 years ago. That technology didn't just disappear. Besides it's not that they didn't want Microsoft to package a web browser with windows, they were stopping Microsoft from making it so the only browser you could use was IE.
Microsoft has a long history of copying other people's products, putting a generic name on it, something Microsoft specific to make it incompatible with the existing product and then driving the competition out of business. You should really be thanking these people because they make Microsoft product's better by forcing Microsoft to keep adding useful features to keep up with the competition.
Its just good business, and yah i dont see a problem with this since I really like microsoft products and think, if there wasnt microsoft, we would all be on macs, where would i do my gaming??
(not saying macs are bad though, just for gaming)
FTP clients don't come bundled with Windows - and even if they changed that, you need to know the address of the FTP server. The web is really the most effective technology for the purpose now.
Microsoft has never prevented the use of other web browsers in any version of Windows. On the more recent versions it does practically stop you from removing it, but there's a big difference between that and shutting out competition.
Most of what I've seen of the addition of new features to otherwise stagnant Microsoft products has been spurred on by competitors like OS X and Firefox, not regulators.