Well i'm finally giving up. After weeks and weeks of testing and driver updates etc, i'm finally proclaiming my graphics card a lost cause. I've not idea how it got like it is, but what i do know is I can't put up with it anymore. So because i have virtually no spare money what wth saving money for when my wife is on maternity leave, i will be down-grading my mobile phone by exchanging it for a cheaper phone and a graphics card with a small monetry contribution at www.cex.co.uk. My phone will get me Â£150($300) in exchange with which to buy both phone and graphics card. The phone i plan to spend around Â£50 leaving at least Â£100 for the card, plus whatever cash i can scrape together. So ignoring the phone for the minute, because that's really not that important. I've selected 2 graphics cards that cex has available, but there's not a whole lot of info about them. I've tried comparing the nearest match on www.tomshardware.com on each of the tests they do there and the results vary quite a lot in some cases. The two cards are: An nVidia 8800 GT 512mb PCI-E and An ATI HD3870 512mb PCI-E Generally the ratings appear to be similar, but on overall fps the nVidia card scores much much higher and it scores higher on virtually all the other tests too. However the toms hardware version lists the card with 'OC' presumeably meaning it's factory overclocked, which i have no idea if the one at cex is. And what sort of difference is there likely to be if it isn't? So now i'm left with a dilema. The nVida card is Â£20($40) more than the ATI card at Â£120($240) I'm leaning towards the ATI, but only because it's cheaper and there's the unknown quantity with the nVida as to whether it's OC or not. Any advice? should i not trust tomshardware? Anyone have any better ratings and reviews sites for older cards? These days every review site is comparing the 9800 series nvidias and the new 4800 series ATIs which is quite frustrating when you're not buying cutting edge. Which would you choose!!?