AION updates and INFO thread for the puplic to see

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    Ok this new thread is where ill be posting all the stuff over AION for now on so make sure to keep checking back for new info and updates.

    also let me know if yall want to know about anything that might not been posted, ill do my best in finding the answers y'all want to know
     
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    Hellrose's guides and translation

    Guides
    Character Stats
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/8838-guide-player-stats.html
    Stigma System
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/8915-guide-stigma-system.html
    Classes
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/translations-2/guide-warrior-classes-gladiator-templar-26/
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/translations-2/guide-mage-classes-sorcerer-spiritmaster-30/
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/8834-translation-guide-priests.html
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/9500-guide-scout-classes-assassin-ranger.html

    Lore
    The Twelve Lords of Aion
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/translations-2/twelve-lords-of-aion-31/

    Korean News
    Korean Launch Updates
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/gen...nch-updates-updated-nov-24th-patch-notes.html

    Korean Beta News Archive
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/new...-aion-kobt-reaches-150k-concurrent-users.html
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/gen...n-obt-character-reservation-begins-korea.html
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/8728-translation-horses-mouth.html
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/8723-translation-open-beta-q.html
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/translations-2/post-cbt3-developer-interview-28/
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/translations-2/the-best-and-worst-of-cbt3-25/

    Rumours & More
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/8655-translation-aion-too-asian-you.html
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/...n-beta-why-it-will-happen-before-nov-13th-27/
    http://www.aionsource.com/articles/translations-2/aionsource-meets-playforum-24/
     
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    was translated by elliot

    Link to the Korean post
    http://aion.gamechosun.co.kr/board/view.php?bid=report&num=19583

    While other classes play an RPG, Sorcerer play a FPS?

    The land where experience and stigma shards flow, Abyss

    The place where you get everything you could possibly want; exp, items, stigma shards and abyss points.

    However, most players are avoiding this sugar land and are turning their eyes to their racial areas or 5th regions.

    This is because most of the time, you are the mob getting farmed.


    One reporter who visited abyss for stigma shards once said,

    "... There's Bombers flying around in Abyss"

    [​IMG]

    One at a time every 2 minutes

    Yes

    So called bombers are referring to the class in hot debate, the Sorcerers.

    The reason the Sorcerers are called the bombers is because of the Hellfire skill that they get at lvl 31.

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    Hellfire is basically a fireball that inflicts 1873 damage to the target.(at lvl 31)

    This skill has 2 minutes delay but it doesn't require any DP, meaning you can cast just about every 2 minutes.

    Due to the 4 second cast, its not useable in every situation. However, in abyss, you can basically fly over to someon'e head, and bomb them from above without being seen.

    [​IMG]

    Due to my own mage not being high lvl enough to learn hellfire, I decided to borrow a lvl 31 mage from a friend for a test run.

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    The mage I borrowed for the day had +519 spellpower, which is only +119 higher from the base stat at lvl 31; a very ordinary mage.

    Basically, you fly high up at first, look around for targets, and go over them and start off by casting Hellfire.

    [​IMG]
    Long cast but if you use it from above..
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    They won't know what hit em​

    Hellfire not only does large initial damage, but it also casts a DOT effect in the area. If you root the target after hellfire, he'll continue to take damage from DoT hellfire.

    If the target still isn't dead by now, you can use Frost Chain and Frost shock as following combo, which slows them, stuns, and knocks them back at the same time. Then you can finish them off by using the mage DP skill which does about the same damage as Hellfire.

    ALso, instant cast spells can be used without facing the target. If the target is somehow chasing you, you can run while damaging them with Burn. When the target takes enough damage and tries to run away, you can root them and go in for finishing kill.

    Winter Root, which is a skill that renders the target immobile for 15 seconds, was useable during flight, basically making it a win button against melees.

    Hellfire isn't the only problem. OP Crowd Control spells

    Your magic resistance increases when you are slept or polymorphed. However, most mages are fully aware of this and will use something like frost chain (slows you down) and then use real nukes. In conclusion, the magic resistance increase during CC status is basically meaningless.

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    [​IMG]
    Frost chain, then boom​

    The sorcerer's CC spells can be used in various ways. One of them is to keep using them on the target during flight, which will eventually lead to your target running out of flight time and plummeting to their death.

    If you die from this method, you'll not only lose abyss points, you'll also lose exp and money.

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    Bye Bye​

    Using winter root, which does not release the target upon damage like WoW roots, can be used to kill melees with ease.

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    Assassins are nothing to fear in Abyss​

    However, I had hard time fighting other Sorcerers, Summoners, and Assassins on the ground.

    Classes that Sorcerer has hard time fighting if attacked first

    Other Sorcerers - Whoever lands sleep/morph first will win

    Summoners - Their dot spells ignore mage armor spell. THeir summons are also hard to fight on ground.

    Rangers - If you get slapped with silence arrow, well.. GG

    Assassins - They'll can get close immediately using Ambush if fighting on foot. Could get owned from chain stun combos and crits.

    Other classes that are not mentioned are very very easy to kill. You could even play with them to death.

    [​IMG]
    /Sleep /Dance​

    Some players suggested that if they even get a warning message when someone is casting will fix this problem. Some said that overall boost for all classes was necessary.

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    When the man comes around..​

    I find myself agreeing with the latter. I believe whats needed is not a mage nerf but boost in survival abilities for other classes.

    Sorcerers may seem annoying if met in Abyss, but in PvE, they are one of the must have components for a successful party. That's why I do not want to see Sorcerers facing the nerf hammer alone.



    Comments

    아입온 - Now mages will come here to cry about their hardship in PvE. QQ starts now!

    중풍지천 - Increase casting for all spells?

    ㅇ_ㅇ;;; - CC self removal? Then sorcerers are nubs?

    At least some classes get to score a hit or two. Warriors can't do much. Just.. /charge and sigh

    달빛의여신 - I'd really like an overall boost. seriously

    DNK - Where are Sorcerer QQs? Please, I'd like to see some.

    Lol? SorcKings? More like Sorc Gods
    How about chanters? More like just noobs

    br313 - This is not all. How about the combo slow thing that they get at lvl 37? ANd I got slapped by a sorc with 1100 SP for 3k damage.

    폭탄바람- Nope. SorcGods

    근성조 - QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ Why isn't anyone crying? Don't they like to cry about PvE whenever one of these posts pop up?

    몹성 - Gladiators are just mobs in Abyss..

    아입온 - So I have better gear and skill than the sorc in front of me, but what the hell am i supposed to d when I am slowed and slept? Just stand there with my eyes glowing red?

    3456345646 - In WoW, if you use CCs, the target regenerates HP, and duration decreases with repeated use. Aion has used magic resistance increase as a way of penalizing CCs, but it clearly isn't enough. Even if resistance went up, leather/clothies are 1 shot. Even Mails/Plates lose half hp at least. Either give them a way of removing CC or nerf CCs
     
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    Patch notes 12/3/08

    Translated by Elliot

    [PC]

    1. Fixed unnatural movement for short characters when they use the skill "Dash"
    2. Fixed bug that prevented from death emote from showing when player died in middle of attack motion
    3. Fixed Motion Cancel macro exploit

    [Skill]

    1. Lowered aggro amount from heal skills from lvl 1~30 for chanters and clerics
    2. Increased bow skill speed for rangers
    3. Hellfire's chance to hit has been lowered

    [NPC/Monster]

    1. Fixed typos on some quest dialogues
    2. Fixed the bug where training scarecrows would be moved when hit by assassin's skill

    [Item]

    1. Increased success rate for crafting
    2. Fixed typo on a pattern for a helm
    3. Increased item stack amount from 100 to 1000 per slot in inventory (herbs, ore, whatever etc)
    4. Fixed the bug where stat increase from bravery scroll wouldn't show on character stat screen
    5. You can no longer use another polymorph item when you are polymorphed.

    [Quest]

    1. Increased experience gain from quests

    2. Changed confusing monster names
    3. Fixed some broken quests

    [UI/Level]

    1. Fixed the bug that prevented anyone from looting an item if no one in party rolled for it
    2. You can now whisper a character by right clicking on the character's name on the chat window
    3. Fixed some terrains
    4. Fixed some graphic bugs




    [Known Issue]

    1. There's currently a bug that forces game to shut down when there's 20 players in an force party and the co-force leader opens management window. This will be fixed in a latter patch.
     
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    what NcSoft is going to do with bots

    Translated by AznKenshin

    Hello, Aion community.

    Thank you for showing great interest to our game.

    Our Aion team is always listening to what the community has to
    say. At the same time, we are addressing the problems that the
    community brings up, such as problems in gameplay. We are
    always striving to provide the best service to our community.

    Recently, on our home page message board, there have been
    complaints about illegal programs and we took this very seriously.

    Illegal programs, also known as bots, break the rules, disrupts
    gameplay, and disrupts the enjoyment of other gamers.

    Starting on November 14th, we began to officially address the
    problem through legal proceedings. We are in the process of
    blocking the IP addresses that are associated with the bot users.
    We are continuously updating GameGuard to keep blocking new
    instances of bots. The Aion Team is in the process of hunting
    down the bot makers to press charges through legal means.
    In our crackdown against botters, it is possible that innocent
    gamers could be mistargeted. However, to prevent this, we are
    using extensive means to carefully monitor the suspected players
    to make certain that they are indeed cheating.

    Our Aion team does not support the use of bots. Finally, we want
    to show you how to report botters in-game. If you suspect
    someone of using bots, we would appreciate that you use this
    report feature.

    [How to report botters in-game]
    In the game, if you see a botter, or suspect someone of botting,
    open up Skills Window (K) then click the Actions Tab and then the
    'Report Botter' button. Through this method, you will be able to
    easily report botters.

    [​IMG] (Button to the left: "Report Botter")

    Thank you for the great interest in our game, and we are always
    open to more suggestions. Our Aion team will always stand against
    botters.

    Thank you.

    Source: http://aion.plaync.co.kr/board/notice/view?articleID=188&page= (Brought up by Lord Devil)
    Translation: Good friend of mine.
     
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    A little bit of info over the new company NcWest

    NcSoft finally made the right move and fired/scraped NcAustin which everyone knew that did a horrible job on L2 adn some other games. NcWest has alot more rules and enforces them even more then Nc Austin has ever in there life time so here a link about the new comp if y'all find any thing els that this link might not explain plz feel free to post the link.


    http://www.massively.com/2008/09/24/david-reid-sets-the-record-straight-on-nc-west/
     
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    translated by elliot
    Original Post

    Party plz! Nobles and Peasants of Aion

    Because of the great rewards and experience that Elite areas offer, almost everyone will try to group up at some point in Aion.

    However, for some people, it seems like that party invite is just not gonna come no matter how long they wait in queue or shout. :cry:

    Meanwhile, for some people, a party can be found within minutes if not seconds. :suave:

    Today, I'd like to talk about "Noble" classes and "Peasant" classes of Aion.

    Current role and status of each class in a Party

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    Not Enough Templars/Healers to take, no I mean carry away

    A successful party consists of "tank, dps, and heals".

    DPS is very easy to find. However, there's no alternative to templar/cleric, so every party has to have one of each.

    Supposedly gladiators and chanters can take their places, but its a known fact that they are very limited in their abilities.

    Add the scarcity of players for templar/cleric to this formula and you end up with stuff like this on party chat all the time,

    "Going Temple of Flames, LF Tank/Healer (4/6)"

    Thats right. 2 out of 8 professions are must haves for a party. How about the other 6?

    How about my class?

    Gladiators - Mm.. So many yet so useless


    Lower damage than an assassin, and lower defense than a templar. It's quite unclear what Gladiators are supposed to do. Many find them an annoyance because they keep waking CCed mobs with their AoE combos.
    Plus, many templars will not want a gladiator in party due to the fact that they'll have to compete for plate drops.

    Rangers - .... What's a party?

    The reason that rangers top #1 on least wanted chart is because of their lame damage output despite them being labeled as dps. They are also #1 cause of overpull due to the fact they have to double click on a monster to attack (misclicks on other things)

    Assassins - First come first serve

    As a class always topping damage charts, every party will take one. However, due to an overwhelming population of assassins, an assassin player will be hardpressed to find a spot.

    Sorcerers = Dps? no problem. CC? no problem. Finding party? no problem (except in new servers)

    A class with most abilities in game. There's also fewer of them compared to assassins. You shouldn't have any trouble finding a party.

    This is a class that I always take when I form parties as well.

    Summoners - No parties to join, No role in one either

    Despite their debuffing abilities, their low damage places them on most Unwanted list along with rangers. Lack of micromanagement functions on summons often lead to annihilation of the entire party in tight places like temple of flames.

    Chanters - Need real buffs


    Due to the lack of clerics, chanters don't have too much trouble finding parties. Their buffs are nice to have but don't make too big of a difference to count. They mostly just act as secondary healers.

    Some people argue that they'd rather take another assassin over chanter buffs. (if they have cleric for heals)
    Similar to Gladiators vs Templar situation, their loots also overlap with clerics.

    For how long are you just gonna stare at party channel?

    It's true that many classes have trouble finding party. This doesn't mean you have to shout "lfg" all day.

    If you can't find one, make one!

    Specify which classes you need, and where you are going. If you are going for a specific quest, make sure to include that as well.

    You'll probably have no trouble filling the "DPS" department. For templars/clerics, you are probably not gonna find one by using lfg channel. Just try to whisper ones you can find on friend search list.

    [​IMG]

    Search by using class name, and poke each one until one gives in. There could be people that wanted to join a party, but didn't want to have lfg channel mess on their chat.

    The party play that you always dreamed about
    Start one yourself





    Comments

    시라소닉 - Parties only need 1 sorc in party. There's actually too many sorcerers as well. Summoners are ok. Their debuffs are nice, but the problem is their massive aggro pull. Gladiators.. are oookkk if they are higher lvl compared to the party, but seriously, templars are impossible to find.

    호도르 - Chanters buff patch plzzzz QQQQQQQQQQ

    호도르 - I don't wanna stop hearing crap like Noobanter, Nonfactor, Chantoob. Stoppit

    거짓말안하고... - I am a ranger. I couldn't find a party at all so I ended up trying to make one myself. Took hours but finally got one going with 1 glad, 2 rangers, chanter, cleric. Barely got a quest done. This is just pathetic. Rangers can't even do instances. Gear gap just keeps widening compared to other classes.

    ㄷㄷㄷㄷㄷ1 - Lol ranger nonfactors

    이상허네 - Kinda weird. If you look at server population, there's actually less assassins than templars, yet you see so many assassins in the fields compared to templars..

    A Summoner Passingby
    - Kissed this *** that *** to get into one. Monitored my spirit the whole time trying so hard not to get aggroed. Thank you thank you for inviting me. I don't care about items or exp, I am just thankful you helped me with my quests. Took 100 mana pots with me.. used 50.. Debuffs don't do much but they take so much mp...
    Then ****ing spirit gets aggroed while following. I cried sorry sorry over and over..
    someone tells me to just put the summon away.. and I did
    There goes half of my skills..
    Can't even roll for robes/rings/necklaces cuz Sorc wants them
    I felt so pathetic

    ps. About abyss..
    If I want to move to a diff area i have to trash the summon
    My main skill can't even be used during flight
    Some people get to fly from spot to sot just to kill quest mobs
    When I fly my summon moves below me grabbing every mob on the way, so i had to summon/cancel/resummon over and over
    Then i just find myself lvling without summon out
    Then I see a sorc over me 1 shotting mobs with hellfire
    .....

    Lame Summoners - Know how it feels to get kicked from a party when i was in it first cuz a sorc didn't want me there?

    Its just sad - As soon as I join a party, someone tells me "watch spirit aggro". Ok.. but some are like "Put it away" that's just insulting, but when I try it myself, it really pulls a shitstorm of agro. So I end up just spamming that one skill I learned back in lvl 10. Wow... Why did i pick summoner

    QQQ - I haven't done any party quests since I started playing this game Lols... Solo all the way~

    Party? Can I eat it ? - Lvl 34 Summoner

    우아앙아앙 - It's not that there's too few templars/clerics, its just that soloing is just much less stressful for them. I have a lvl 40 templar and I just do party quests and thats it. Some instances just make me puke.

    I am a Cleric and.. - There's 3 things that I disagree with on this post; chanters, summoners and gladiators

    I always press for a chanter in party whenever I am in one. Clerics just can't appreciate enough how nice it is to have a secondary healer in party... especially when we get multi-agro. I'd take a good chanter with me any time.

    I also like summoners.. mostly because they can really pull aggro like no other. This is especially nice when I get aggro on me. In fact, summoners can pull aggro better than templars. From a cleric's perspective, its just priceless. I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.

    Lastly for gladiators, they make good offtanks if they are higher lvl than where we are going. There are times when sorc CC doesn't land on the 2nd mob. This is when gladiator comes in. If the chanter in party does his job as the secondary healer, we can smoothly handle multi aggros.

    I am a summoner - Poster above me is wrong. If healer gets aggroed from heals, no way a summoner can take that off

    The guy above me - I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.I'll take summoners that has good controls any day.

    What? Summoner takes aggro off healer? Fire spirits get most aggro and I haven't seen that happen a single time. Spirits can't take off aggro from healers heals. Could just wake CCed mobs by trying

    I am a glad - I have a lvl 28 glad. Honestly, its really hard to find parties. I got invited once, ran to the place, but then party leader saw me and just went "=-=" and kicked me out, which was just like wow.. It must be like hell for rangers/summoners. Please make it so every class can have a role in parties.


    Lots of QQs and Flames b/w this one Glad and Templar blahblahblahblahblahbalh - skipped

    파르홀론 - I was gonna make a comment about rangers but then I saw summoner comments. sigh. I feel so sorry for you guys.

    I am healer - Parties are so tiring. I can solo just fine, so I basically just go to parties for fun.. and its like templar can't hold aggro, I get aggroed, I pop a pot and heal myself to stay and alive while these bunch of idiots don't even see that i am getting whacked and just cry HEAL HEAL HEAL wowowow dumb tank keeps getting me killed and who's gonna pay for spirit res? gtfo don't even whisper me about parties

    형말듣자 - Deleted my lvl 30 summoner. Wow, healer in Aion, they don't just heal, they solo like no other. There's virtually nothing to complain about clerics. Seriously, everybody just pick one out of this 3; sorc, templar, cleric. Everything will never be the same again. Everybody else just quit.

    Wth - Lol? Are all summoners morons in this game? Summoners are the ones that save healers in case of heal aggro. Use your dam skills or your mp just too precious to use anything? Learn to play

    Wth? - Hey Mr. l2p summoner, meet me at abyss plz

    Lol.. -

    Clerics = Kings
    Nobles = Templars
    Knights = Chanters, Sorc
    Peasants = Gladiators, Assassins
    Untoucheables = Summoners, rangers

    me? ranger.. sh t..[/QUOTE]
    CRAFTING
    info done by Haubix
    LINK
    http://www.aionsource.com/forum/crafting-discussion/
    Kinda old info might have changed
    Disclaimer: Haubix took these informations from the korean Wiki. I cannot guarantee the correctness of the following listings.


    ------ Classes ------

    Assassin:
    - Tailoring (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Weaponsmithing (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Spiritmaster:
    - Alchemy (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Tailoring (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Gladiator:
    - Armorsmithing (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Weaponsmithing (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Ranger:
    - Jewelcrafting (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Tailoring (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Chanter:
    - Jewelcrafting (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Armorsmithing (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Cleric:
    - Armorsmithing (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Weaponsmithing (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Templar:
    - Armorsmithing (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Weaponsmithing (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    Sorcerer:
    - Alchemy (primary, weapon-oriented)
    - Tailoring (primary, armor-oriented)
    - Cooking (secondary, buff-oriented)

    ------ Crafting Professions ------

    Alchemy:
    - Healing potions
    - Mana potions
    - Flight potion (+flighttime)
    - Scrolls (e.g. +20 Fire resistance for 10 minutes)
    - Manastones (socketing - e.g. +14 defense for shields)
    - Spellbook (Sorcerer-Weapon)
    - Pearl (Spiritmaster-Weapon)

    Jewelcrafting:
    - Bows
    - 2-Handed Staffs
    - Ring
    - Earring
    - Necklace
    - Goggles (Head accessoire?)

    Cooking:
    - Bufffood (+flighttime, +HP, etc. for 10 minutes)
    - Meal (Hp-Rgeneration)
    - Trinken (Mp-Regeneration)

    Armorsmithing:
    - Chainmail (Boots, Gloves, Bracers, Helmets, Shoulder, Upper Body, Lower Body)
    - Plate Mail (Boots, Gloves, Bracers, Helmets, Shoulder, Upper Body, Lower Body)
    - Shield

    Tailoring:
    - Leather (Boots, Gloves, Bracers, Helmets, Shoulder, Upper Body, Lower Body)
    - Cloth (Boots, Gloves, Bracers, Helmets, Shoulder, Upper Body, Lower Body)
    - Belt

    Weaponsmithing:
    - Sword
    - Dagger
    - 2-Handed Sword
    - Polearm
    - Mace

    TEST SERVER PATCH NOTES 6/2/09

    LINK
    http://www.areyouhellbound.com/forum/f46/translation-test-server-patch-notes-06-02-09-a-780/
     
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    I came across this site when I was browsing Aion information. http://www.areyouhellbound.com/

    It looks like the guys at Hellbound are going to be playing Aion on the Asmodian side. I remember them from my RF days and they are a strong guild, good to see that good players will be active in Aion.
     
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    i duno i recognise about 3 of there members, i would guess most of the HB guys are still with Shadow Legion
     
  10. Looks like they have some SERIOUS class balancing issues to work out.
     
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    sorry i haven't updated this yet but ill get back to it tomorrow with new info like in bugs and fixes and other problems
     
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    I have a few friends that used to play Maple Story. Based on what they told me, GameGuard could block hacks for a few days at best before the hack was updated and distributed before the problem was back to what it was before the update. And that's only because it took that long for the kids playing to find out the hack was updated.

    It also says worrying things about how Aion is coded against hacks. Most MMOs base their security around the hacker having more control of their client than the devs do, meaning the client isn't allowed to decide anything the hackers would want to alter. So when the client gets hacked, the worst that can be done is bots and putting a keylogger in the copy they give to people (which is why you only download the client from approved sites).

    But gameguard is an attempt to make the client secure. Given that adding gameguard comes with a cost (both in cash and CPU cycles), it suggests that Aions design requires a trusted client. Such as putting important calculations* client-side to reduce server load. But when they get hacked, the hackers will be able to do a lot more than if the client wasn't trusted.

    *Did you hit the target, did it hit you, how much damage was done, etc.

    Even if we assume that Gameguard is only there to stop bots, there are still some problems. Lets have a look at what wikipedia says:

    Like spyware does, since you don't want the user to know that your spyware is running.
    And we only really have their word about what they are recording.
    If INCA don't like the program, it won't run.
     
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    the only thing I am interested in...pvp

    - open world?
    - discuss the pvp
    -- bindstone/ or tombstone? - do you need to run and pick up your gear? corpse?
    -- how hardcore is it?
    --- how many safe zones? full loot? spawn camping/corpse camping? FFA/Realm?
    - US Release date? US Beta? Guild Beta?

    depending on these I will look into the game.
     
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    Lets look at the programs I listed:
    - AVG Anti-Virus. This would be running whenever the computer is booted.
    - ATI Tray Tools. Not sure, probably would be running constantly.
    - NetLimiter. It can't monitor or shape your traffic if you turn it off. So it will be on constantly.
    - Outpost Firewall Pro. A firewall, so it would also be always on.
    - Process Explorer. Ok, this can be turned off.
    - Steam. If you launched the game through Steam, Steam would stay running.

    So it is still a problem if it terminates after the game is closed. Which it doesn't.
    You failed to respond to my worries about Aion having critical calculations done client side because they think the client is secure, making those calculations ripe for hacking. Meaning that GameGuard is a sign that the game is likely to be easily hacked.

    Nor did you attempt to justify GameGuard being so invasive when it doesn't stop the hacks.
     
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    well from what i read there hasnt been hacking going on yet just bots and thats about all.
     
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    I guess we will have to wait till release to see how that goes.

    Now lets hear you justify GameGuard being so invasive.
     
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    you do know 90% of teh guards on every game out there mess up other programs or dont work well with somthing
     
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    its is open world i guess, its kinda like RFO but bigger maps,

    the PvP is really fun ill have to find some vids and info over it just been really biz at work so sorry for not keeping up to date;

    the game is ment for the everyday ppl frm whats said BUT they are adding stuff in game for the hard core players to keep them happy and playing to. i think only the start area and a few of your races area are safe unless the other race finds a portal leading them to your world.

    not sure if there binding spots or like WoW.... i thinks there bind spots but i think im wrong so ill look to


    there info saying like 3 months after its been in china then thats when US should be seeing some dates. by in china i ment beta be like 2 months to 3 monhs when it goes live we should see the preview events
     
  20. Meemo
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    I'm not surprised about that figure considering that attempting to secure the client machines is a stupid idea in the first place. After all the attacker has unlimited access to the client and the devs access is limited. But the servers are much more secure because this is reversed.

    Guild Wars has never had a problem with people hacking it and it doesn't run a guard program. The same goes for Eve Online, and its devs have even told us that the Eve client doesn't have anything in it to prevent people decompiling it.

    Instead their approach to preventing hacks is to first assume that the client will be hacked. So they try to make sure that there is nothing being done on the client that is worth hacking, which also means they don't have to waste everyones time with guard programs.

    Sure, this doesn't stop bots. But I don't see GameGuard doing any better. But what I do see GameGuard doing is screwing up peoples computers and encouraging the devs to think that the clients can be secured.
     

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